September 11, 1988
What does the monster do?
Corky: Went last night to see the movie, The Last Temptation of Christ. I thought it was very profound. I would suggest everybody see it at least twice. It is unbelievable, and I don't want to try to put an interpretation on it today. I've been beating my gums about it this morning and putting my interpretation on it. So we will stop at this point and let everybody go and see it, and let them interpret for themselves. So what I would suggest you do is get into the depth of what is being said; look beyond the surface words, and look into the philosophy behind the happenings in the movie, how things were done, and how it was put together in the movie; and take as large an examination of the whole thing as possible. Okay.
And you don't have to worry about the theater here in Utah; nobody's going. You could show up ten minutes late. I think there were probably about 100 people max in the theater, and ours was only about 5% full.
Anyway, it is really interesting this saying on the ceiling up there. The saying on the ceiling says, and I may misquote it, but generally the idea is, "Creation is perfected when there is a balance struck between two opposites." But it goes on to say, "By applying higher law against lower laws, the creation becomes divine," and that's the important part of the whole thing. Everybody knows there's got to be a balance. Everybody talks about that. Everybody says that you know you got to balance the yin and the yang with each other, the light and the dark; the cycles of the moon -- gets small, gets full -- the rhythm of the pendulum, the balance back and forth. But the divinity of the whole thing is being able to apply a higher law against the lower laws; and overcome the swing out of the balance of the pendulum, or the balance coming back and forth of the nature that is undesirable for your state.
Now speaking purely philosophically, Summum, capital SUMMUM, in its nature is a balance between nothingness and possibility, or destruction and creation. That there is a creative force and destructive force -- and I am just trying to ferret these things out, and make it real simple so it doesn't get too complicated -- and everything is male and female, everything has male and female gender within it; everything has the destructive nature and the creative nature within it, although it does not necessarily mean that you have to be destructive or creative. You can either be one or the other or both in your own nature, although, everybody who saw The Never Ending Story... what was the story behind The Never Ending Story, Bernie? Do you remember, Donna?
Donna: Well, the nothingness was taking over.
Corky: The destruction was taking over what? Wasn't that what it was doing? Destroying nature?
Donna: Destroying creation.
Corky: Destroying creation. And it was going out of existence, right? And what was the bottom line at the end of the story? That creation needed to stand up and do something about it. Right? Or nothing would happen.
Now I was talking to Karney this morning, and I was using the example of Israel. Israel built a nation and it's very creative over there. They have an organization of communal existence where everybody gets to live, and they build unbelievable things, I mean the nation is only 40 years old. And they have defense plans. They are making some of the world's most modern weapons and making some of the world's most advanced scientific breakthroughs, and it's only 30 years old. Okay? VERY CREATIVE! It may be creating destruction, things to destroy with, but it is creating an immune system like the body does. The body creates an immune system so when something comes in and attacks it, it can resist it, and fight back and destroy it; like a virus comes into your body, and the immune system says, "Aha," sends out the fighter plane that goes flying in and bombs them out. Or some invaders come across the border, i.e., the skin, and come sneaking in there with their little costumes, and go in and blow up the heart or whatever. And so the alarm system is set off and the radar says go in and attack. It's the exact same thing: as above, so below; everything is similar or interrelated. Now, there are those in chaos, the Palestinians. They are not very well organized. Has anyone been watching what's going on? Have you been watching it, Chris?
Corky: Everybody ought to pay attention to the story because it's "as above, so below." Are they organized Al?
Al: From the news I can't see them being organized.
Corky: They're not are they? It's really amazing; destruction cannot get organized because it is naturally chaos, natural chaos. It's a natural thing that takes place where we are divided up into individual units and one individual unit can get an attack on, like a virus, and run in and attack the body. But it's attacking an organized system. Within our society, we have individuals who will attack the government -- like attacks Hanson, the senator, the congressman or whatever he was. Or there are small groups that get together like the Aryan nation that attack the system, but they're really not organized. They go against the body of the whole. Now that attack does cause change; there's no question. So it's good in its attack, but the body cannot allow it to destroy it because then the nothingness would destroy creation. For example, Su, what if someone came to your house and said they didn't like your body because it's organized. You're working it out trying to keep it in shape and trying to keep it organized. Therefore, what we're going to do is come in here because I don't like the way you're organized and chop you up in little pieces and burn you in the fireplace. What would your statement be back?
Su: I don't know what I'd say, probably just tell them...
Corky: Would you call for the defense systems?
Su: Yeah, I guess.
Corky: No, call 911 like Karney said. That would be a good tactic I would think real quick. That would be the first thing I'd do if I saw them sneaking around my window if I were you.
Up there, a lot of weird things happen up in the avenues.
Su: I know, Marc wants to give me a gun. I said no way!
Corky: Don't take a gun.
Su: I said no way, I'm just asking for trouble.
Corky: Take a baseball bat.
Corky: There's a lot of rapists up there, and if you walk around with a nice looking butt and you walk through the door, they're gonna be looking at it.
Corky: Mace, that's it; some real mace, not the imitation stuff. A whistle won't do. Get mace.
Al: A stun gun
Corky: Oh a stun gun, they'd take it away. I'd have a mace in every drawer. I mean if you got mace on them it would probably take the hard on away. You know what I'm saying? I mean if it was in the air, how would you be able to get one up Chris?
Chris: Probably not.
Corky: I think it would sort of put a damper on it, and mace is a good idea. I like that -- mace. Anyway, back to the gist of the whole story. So there is this force of destruction and chaos, and there is this force of creation or possibility; and it's in everything. Now everyone chooses sides. Christ said in the Bible, "If you're not with me, you're against me." That's that line that you step over: one side or the other. Now you can be real strong into creation or real light into it. You can be real light into destruction or real heavy into it. It's a matter of degrees. But there is a center point; it's the balance point between the two. Or you can go back and forth between the two. You know, a little bit of creation or you can swing dramatically. And so the saying on the ceiling says, creation is perfected when there is a balance between the opposites or what is perfected; and by applying a higher law against the lower law, it becomes divine. That's the key to the whole thing. So you can control your destruction and creation within you. It is controllable by applying a higher law against the lower law. It's the paradox in the whole thing which is amazing; everything is amazing. And to throw it off and say it's under destiny is true, but then you're denying the other half of the picture, your choice on the conscious level, because there's a paradox. You do have a choice on the conscious level, but it is under a total destiny, and the total destiny is in balance with the choice on the conscious level, although the destiny of the higher law... Don't deny your choice on the conscious level because it IS your destiny. Now it may sound like it's going in circles, it may sound like it's in contradiction, but if you look at it from the larger picture, it really isn't. If you stand in the whirlpool of it, it seems confusing because it turns you in circles. But if you stand out of it, you can see how it works. It's like playing a record on the stereo. If you jump on the disc you get dizzy because it's going around in circles. If you stand back and listen to the music, you can see it going around and hear the rhythm of it, rather than getting lost in it. So just because it sounds right now like it's contradicting itself, it's really not.
The majority of the people are on the side of destruction, and the reason they are, is because they have a resistance to creation, creating things. Because the things that are in creation are established, and the majority of people have a resistance to the establishment. But the establishment is stronger because it is established and it already has its roots in the ground. It's sucking the water from creation, it's taking the minerals out of the earth, and the majority of people are like little seeds landing on the ground, saying "I want a share of this water. How come the Kennedys have it all? How come a few families are in control of the wealth of the planet? I'm the seed, how come I can't have my share? Let's destroy this wealth that they have, and spread it out amongst the masses." So there's a few of rich, and a lot of poor. There are a lot of destructive individuals, and a few creative. And the reason the rich are rich is they're creative. And the reason the poor are poor is they are destructive. It is so simple. So if you want to be rich, get creative, if you want to be poor, be destructive. What's the condition of Iraq and Iran? They are heavy into destruction. Are they poor? Iran was wealthy, unbelievable wealth with the average person.
Al: Is Iran Persia?
Corky: It's the Persian area, one of the Persian countries. They call themselves Persians, but I think Persia encompassed a large area at one time.
Al: Many countries.
Corky: Right, at one time. I think they are still claiming to be Persian, I really don't know. Anyway, twenty years ago, the average wealth of the Iranians was unbelievable. They were all over here with a bundle of dough in their pockets buying up the United States! They were like the Saudis, and now they're starving in the streets. All their children are dead, their teenage boys, their 10 year olds, 11 year olds. It's unbelievable what destruction did to them: made them poor, because the consciousness of them stepped across the line into destruction rather than creation. Look at Donald Trump, is he creative?
Karney: Ted Turner
Corky: Look at Ted Turner, just exactly what I was going to say next. Look how creative he is, unbelievably wealthy; and the thing about it is, he hasn't gotten greedy yet. That's what happened to the Hunt boys. They got greedy and got destroyed.
Karney: Paul Newman is amassing incredible portions.
Corky: Very creative! Unbelievable creation going on within that person. It's an aura surrounding them. It doesn't mean it has to happen overnight either. Although everything that is creative attracts destructive forces, because of the polarization that takes place. There's a north pole and a south pole just as strong that automatically exits. Like the Israelis attract all the Arabs, destructive forces. But the destructive forces are not organized because they can't be because the nature of organization is creation; and it is organized, and when you see people fighting against organization or creation itself, you can tell where they're at. It's very clear, they're destructive. They've got a destructive nature within themselves. They have a jealousy, and we've heard so many things over our lifetimes about jealousy. It's a prison, a self-incarceration. It's self-torment. It's a self-punishment. It comes in on you and stabs you in the heart, and cuts your throat. It bleeds the energy out of your life. It destroys you, a jealousy. Everybody has felt it at one time or another in their life. It feeds on itself if your attention is on it. It builds and builds upon itself until it drains your existence. It takes away your vital forces. And so jealousy is of a destructive nature and there are a lot of things that are of a destructive nature.
When you fall in love, when you become devoted, when you have a respect for something, it seems as if there is a real difficult time for jealousy to exist. It seems as if all obstacles seem to go away, and everything is real clear. But it's a paradox, because all the obstacles are destroyed by you. The things you didn't like about the situation, the feelings of disdain that you had for a situation; the uncomfortableness of being, let's say, with being in the presence of someone who you weren't in love with, you fell in love, and they go away. The way they smell may have been offensive, but all of a sudden becomes sweet. The way they walked wasn't vogue but all of a sudden it becomes entertaining and something to be close to. The way their hair used to look, all of a sudden becomes beautiful. And a love or devotion is on the side of creation. What it does is it takes away the obstacles from you building something when you're putting things together. When you are working, a love gives you unbelievable energy. It draws in the forces of creation to you, and that energy which you have in your body can make you dance all day. I used to sing a song "Dancing on the Ceiling." It can do that for you. It can make you float through the air. It can make you light as a feather. It can take away all jealousy. It can take away all pain and take away all unconsciousness. And it comes back to YOU. ONLY YOU can decide whether you want to do it. No one can tell you what to do. That's an interesting statement. No one is going to tell you what to do, even if it's good for you. No one's going to give me a pot of gold. No one's going to make me happy. No one is going to tell me to fall in love. What does that mean, Su? No one's going to tell me what to do?
Su: I don't know... just like it says.
Corky: Do you ever feel that?
Corky: What's it feel like?
Su: I've felt like that all my life I guess.
Corky: You have?
Su: Sure, starting with my parents.
Corky: What is it? What is it?
Su: I don't know. I guess it's just a certain stubbornness.
Corky: Chris, what is it?
Chris: I'm trying to preserve something.
Corky: What are you preserving? Your jealousy?
Chris: Your misery.
Corky: Your misery? Your disdain, your hate, your disrespect?
Al: Just about every person can say, to some degree, that's all relative to the individual, that they feel like two people; and it's one of those people they're attempting to preserve by claiming their right to do their thing. It's that thing itself.
Corky: I would say that's true at a particular stage of evolution. But what that saying is saying on the wall is when a balance is perfected between two opposites... now the two opposites -- two people inside?
Corky: Now if there is a balance perfected between two opposites, what's left? Is there still two or just one?
Janet: The two have to become one.
Corky: The two become one, in the center. Then what Bernie? What does the one do?
Bernie: Guess they can take control, and be where it wants to be.
Corky: It can use the higher law against the lower law, the one. That's what the story on the wall says. Creation is manifested and balance is perfected between the two opposites.
There's no creation until a balance comes; there's chaos. There's no creation. The balance has to be struck. It's going like this -- the balls are in the air, there's chaos! Until it holds still temporarily, it looks at itself, and then takes the higher law and applies it against the lower laws
Al: Now what is that in more practical terms? I'm not real clear on that, the higher law against lower laws.
Corky: First of all, what has to happen? No one can succeed in existence until they become devoted to something more important to themselves than themselves. It's impossible because as long as you are devoted to yourself, you're going from one side to the other. You have to lose the swing there.
Al: You can't accomplish balance at that point.
Corky: No balance can be struck. You have to rise up to a higher level. And automatically, when you go up there, the tension of going, your tension going up there draws the two extremes together. You lift the chords, and they come together, and arrive at the center point. You've seen two balls do that? And they're resting, and when they're resting, you take the higher law, and you apply it on the lower level. So you put your attention on a higher law out of the swing of the pendulum; and it automatically draws the two opposites together of yourself and they become one; and that's creation. It takes two to make one, as it says in the book, and that oneness is the creation, and then it becomes divine when you apply it.
Al: And the outcome is oneness.
Corky: Yeah, it could rest and be one, but as you apply those higher laws on the oneness it becomes divine. Now, for one to get there... you're talking worrying about yourself, and if you are worrying about yourself, you're going to swing on the pendulum. Watch it within you. One minute, if you're worrying about whether your tire has got enough air in it, and yourself, and what the gas station man did, you have an anxiety against the gas station guy. If you're worried about your landlord, then your attention is there -- whether he's going to raise the rent, or if he watered the lawn, or did that or whatever. You're swinging back and forth between anxiety and non-anxiety, pleasure and pain. You're back and forth on that pendulum. Until you stop worrying about yourself and dedicate yourself or devote yourself to something higher, fall in love with it so the obstacles can go away, so when you look at your landlord you can laugh about it, and you can see the destiny of it, rather than being caught up in the swing of it... rather than having yourself involved, you can move out of destruction. Because the swing is destruction, it's chaos. There's nothing being created there.
Su, when you get lost in the music, you can create, right? If you're worried about pushing the keys it doesn't happen.
Su: No, there is a certain point where you do have to think about them.
Corky: No question. You think about it for a second, and then you go beyond. I'm not saying you don't. That's when you start, and then you go beyond. Until you go beyond, nothing happens, does it? It's in everything -- as above so below. It's a very natural law.
Abandon the argument, because all it's going to do is mess with you. It's not going to mess with anybody else; it's going to mess with you; and all it's going to do is cause you jealousy, pain and disdain. It's going to cause you a nightmare. Get devoted to it. Become one with it. Become one with it. Surrender to it.
Al: Does that happen systematically when you abandon the argument?
Corky: When you abandon the argument, you think about the argument, like Su just said, for a while, and then you quit; you surrender. You say I'm tired of this battle. I'm tired of it; I quit. But the key point is you cannot make it succeed until you fall in love with it, because it won't dance with you. Because you don't like the way it smells; you don't like the way its feet move; you don't like the music; you don't like the color of its skin; you don't like the way its hairs come up between its eyebrows; you don't like if it's got a freckle on its cheek;
you don't like the way it licks its lips, until you fall in love with it. And saying it is meaningless. It's like Su can remember the times she fell in love with the music she was creating, and it became beautiful. And when she fell in love with it, it was beautiful right? But before you did, it was horrible. It was work. Tell us about the monster Al.
Al: Monster. There's this monster, and if everything is going its way, it appears to be...
Al: Satisfied. And at the moment it doesn't go its way, it has a retaliation that is unbelievable. Rip the car door off the car or whatever, it has an unbelievable... I was thinking on the way here, I remember one day John and I were on my motorcycle, and we were on the freeway, and the speed limit on this critical swing was 45 miles an hour, and I went around it at 110 because the monster was into the thrill of the machine.
Corky: Did Lenny ever do that?
Corky: The book says that people, or everyone who refuses to listen to the laws of creation or of existence, fall bleeding and bruised on the ground until they understand the laws. Okay, keep this in mind as you tell the story of the monster.
Al: Well, that's crossed my mind as you just said and...
Corky: Every time the monster gets carried away, is there any bleeding and bruising taking place?
Al: Taking place?
Corky: On one level or another, mental, or physical or...
Al: Yeah, often times with me, it takes place inside me
Corky: But it's a bleeding and bruising because the monster goes against organization and creation and the laws, right?
Al: It's an extreme
Corky: Is it in a battle against the organization and creation? It's the destruction right? The monster is.
Al: And the thing is, I go along for the ride.
Corky: Okay, now next question, what does the monster do? Give some examples. What has the monster done in the last 6 months?
Al: Well, it's a lot of kicking and screaming. The monster always complains.
Corky: Is the monster sly?
Al: The monster is sly and sneaky and never admits...
Corky: That it exists.
Al: That it exists or that it's wrong.
Corky: Okay, does the monster ever test things?
Al: The monster always tests things.
Corky: Okay, did you see the movie last night when no matter how many miracles Christ performed, the monster said, "let's see more," and the less they believed.
Corky: Did it do any good for Christ to perform a miracle, to the monsters? Didn't make any difference did it, Janet? What was the story there?
Janet: Because they really didn't believe him anyway. They didn't love him, because they didn't believe him, because they wanted to do their own thing.
Corky: And it didn't make any difference what he did, right? What were they up for? A crucifixion?
Janet: They wanted to kill him.
Corky: Right, and Paul was even that way, right? The apostles said, we will kill you in the public's eye and everything, to make this thing go from me, because these people need this. So I can be the leader and the prophet and tell them about it. Isn't that what the story of Paul was?
Janet: Because he denied Christ before he was killed.
Corky: No that was Judas.
Someone: Peter did.
Corky: Peter did, but Paul went on later to tell all these fantastic stories about... he says, "I'll destroy you, I'll kill you so that these people can have... I can tell them the story and they'll follow me." That movie is unbelievably profound. The person that wrote that really was into the principles, and understanding of what everything is about. What has the monster done around here? Anything weird?
Al: It becomes real unconscious. It is causing unconsciousness.
Corky: Well is the monster vindictive at all?
Corky: Like on the dock. You know what the guys do on the dock.
Al: It's felt like it. It's tried to be.
Corky: Do you think that the monster could say something like this inside, could say, "well let's see how creative this place really is, let's just see how much supernatural consciousness is going on here. Let me do some things that are really interesting, and see if the supernatural forces see it or know who did it, or can understand it or work it out." Has the monster ever thought that?
Al: The monster has thought that.
Corky: On a regular basis?
Al: I don't know, more than once, yeah.
Corky: Right. Su, what do you think the monster is saying to itself? What was the story in the movie when they put Christ on the cross and said, "Let's just see if he can get down from here."
Su: Well, let's see if you can really perform a miracle and get out of this one.
Corky: Wasn't that, yeah, get out of this one, right? And so were they hearing anything that was being said?
Corky: They were in a want to try to destroy it, right? Why?
Janet: Because if you destroy it, you don't have to look at yourself.
Corky: You don't have to realize that you are the monster, and that the monster isn't something separate from you, and you can't blame it on the monster.
Janet: Well if you say the monster is doing it, then you take the guilt away from yourself.
Corky: Right, and the monster did it, not me.
Janet: But you're really the monster because the monster wants to be in destruction.
Corky: And so you are the monster. It's not a monster.
Janet: No, it's you. You are the monster, and you want to be in destruction, because that's what you know.
Corky: How do you get out of the monster? Quit, right?
Janet: Just give up and say, I don't like being a monster. It makes me sick, it's disgusting.
Corky: But a lot of the time, what if you told those guys back in, let's just say if you were Mary Magdalene, told those guys that were getting ready to see if he bled or whatever he did you know.
Janet: What would I say if they...
Corky: Yeah, like he raised Lazarus from the dead, how come he can't stop the bleeding when we stick this sword in him? I mean if he can raise Lazarus from the dead or make it rain, how come he can't stop it from bleeding, or stop this from happening or change this or change that?
Carney: It was his destiny.
Corky: Oh I know it was his destiny, but I mean what were they saying?
Janet: They were saying, "Prove to me that you're really real."
Corky: Would it do any good if he proved it?
Janet: No, because they still couldn't hear it anyway.
Corky: Because they couldn't. He did prove it a lot of times, and they saw it with their own eyes; and it still didn't make any difference, because they would want a larger proof the next time. They wanted a larger proof until he would destroy them, right? That's what they were asking for -- self destruction, themselves, they were trying to destroy themselves.
Al: Because of the destructive mode they were in.
Corky: Exactly, they were just trying to destroy themselves is all.
Al: They attempted to get the cops to shoot them.
Corky: And the cop said, "No, I won't shoot you today. I'll let the court do it." Does this conversation make anybody's head hurt?
Corky: Does it give you a headache? Why?
Janet: It's been an eye opener.
Corky: Do you think you've benefited by coming here?
Janet: Oh yeah.
Corky: Did you learn anything or see anything?
Janet: I learned that I can't blame anybody but myself. I am destructive and jealous and I know it very well, because I've done it all the time. All I really cared about was myself, and I've never been devoted to anything else but me.