January 11, 1987
See, the will is totally flexible, it's like water.
One thing that was real interesting, I was reading an article on mummies and stuff like that and it said, John Paul Jones was mummified. Does anyone know John Paul Jones? I have an article on it in the house. He's the guy that won the war; he was a naval officer for the United States navy during the war of independence against England. Anyway, they mummified him and then put him in this coffin in France. And they found his body in the early 1900's; they unwrapped him and found that he was in perfect condition. Then, they brought him to the U.S. and buried him. Can you believe it? It's like they dig up the Peking woman, and she's been perfectly preserved for all these centuries, and then they do all these experiments and testing on her and so she decays. Jesus. The world, it makes no sense.
Anyway, let's back up a little bit here. Go ahead Chris, what's not clear, that we were talking about before the break?
Chris: Just that I always look at work and play differently. Does everyone here look at work and play differently? In terms of just how sharp you should be, just how punctual you should be. Maybe this isn't play. Maybe that's what I misunderstood, maybe this isn't play. Maybe there is a cosmic reason for these meetings and I should be taking it more seriously. Then someone needs to fill me in on that chapter. Now, I do know that part of the purpose of these meetings is to get people to learn that Summum people are normal, that Summum people can drink, and have a good time and that they're okay and it's okay to associate with them, and you aren't weird if you associate with them. Is there anything else I've missed?
Corky: No. Not that I know of. I'm not following you. I'm not sure what you mean.
Chris: I'm more casual at play than at work. When we're all here to get a project done, then I'm here on time.
Corky: We're not arguing that at all. Is anybody arguing that?
Chris: Okay, so you began the discussion asking why didn't Mary and Terry call.
Corky: The real question probably should have been: "Why did you get so MAD this morning, and last night, when you went to the Green Parrot and expected people to be there and they weren't there because you were told they were going to be there?"
Chris: Okay. Yeah. That was just... yeah. Yeah. Well, you brought up that thing that you can't leave a message at the desk because it's a club, and I never thought of that. That's true.
Corky: No, but beyond all of that, beyond all the little details and everything, WHY did you get so mad? Just to do away with all the details.
Chris: Okay. Yes, I agree. I was probably just... you know, it's just an irritation when you drive out there and you pay for parking, etc. etc. And I know I blamed it on the situation, or I blamed it on not being told, but it's just, you want to recap it for everybody?
Corky: Real quick synopsis, we're discussing over the history of Summum, we were talking about how, when we hold a function or we say we're going to do something and we don't do it, or we change it or whatever, people get pissed at us. Real mad. Like, when we were building the buildings and we were going to be tar papering the roof and we didn't get any tar paper, so when they showed up we handed them a shovel and they got mad. Or because they didn't want to dig, they came expecting to lay tar paper. Or we weren't here, and everybody went over to the park and had a sandwich and we didn't bother calling them because the people that were real close to what was going on sort of knew what was happening, because they checked in the last five minutes. And everybody decided in the last five minutes who were going, or the majority decided let's go to the park and have a sandwich, so there is an irritability. I was talking with Donna, she's gotten the brunt of most of this, haven't you Donna? That people get real pissed right? About it not going the way they wanted it, or the way they thought it should have been, or the way they were told it was going to happen.
Mary: But there is an irritability factor with that.
Corky: But wait a second, what I was trying to expand the consciousness to, was there is a two way responsibility if the closer you are to it, the easier it is for you to be with it, and you can be responsible with it.
Mary: Yeah, but when you go to the idea that people ought to be telepathically involved, then I think there may be a problem.
Corky: Now, wait a second. I said they can be. I didn't say they had to be. Did I? Did I infer that you had to be telepathically involved? You CAN be. If you get close enough to it, you can be telepathically involved. Your experience of being close to it causes you to be able to know what is going on. You feel it. You feel what's happening with the whole thing because you are close to it. Is there anything you are real close to? You're close to your period, right? You have it don't you?
Mary: Oh yeah. But I have to map it out on a calendar. I'm not really perceptive, I don't feel things coming.
Corky: Is there anything you ever feel coming, or telepathically get involved in?
Mary: Every once in awhile, but it is rare.
Corky: Su, when you are playing music, can you feel the music ahead of time, before it happens, just a few split milliseconds?
Su: Yeah. If you are really close.
Corky: Close to it. This is what I am trying to talk about, and trying to explain. That the closer you get to it, the more telepathic you can get with it. Can get with it, you don't have to get with it. But you can. It is possible, okay. And I'm saying that is ideal. I would like to see as many people have that with Summum as possible. And so we used to go through the rounds of calling people and all this stuff, and now we've sort of taken a position to allow them, if they want to, to get telepathically involved with it. Not many people will want to do that. That's their choice.
It automatically happens, the more attention you put on it. Wouldn't you say Su, with the music?
Corky: The more attention you put on it, it is an automatic happening. And you can't explain this to somebody, they have to experience it. It's an experience. You can't, no matter how much you put it into words. Anyway we're going to try to keep as many people informed about what's happening and what isn't happening, you know. But we cannot always, if it's impossible to get through to somebody, you can't get a hold of them or whatever, it's impossible to let everybody know what's happening.
This is larger than the bar scene of last night, we're talking about it because we're talking about Cause and Effect also. I told Chris at 5 o'clock or 6 o'clock that we were going to go to the Green Parrot to hang out. And when he went there looking for us, we weren't there. Because there were only two people that I consciously knew that were going, me and Jim. Because a number of times that we waited for Chris, a minimum of five, he never showed up, and we waited later specifically for him. But he didn't have any obligation to show up because we thought that he might be coming, and we sat there and talked about it at the bar, didn't we Donna and Jim? Like, Chris said he may come, we waited for him because we didn't want him to show up and have nobody be there. But he didn't bother calling us and telling us he wasn't going to come. So there was a dual responsibility, but it was a very loose thing, he said, 'Well I'll come if I come, if I don't, I don't." But there was a possibility that he would come, and so we waited for him. So, then last night we changed bars, we didn't go to the Green Parrot, Chris showed up and he was just affected, in a way, that we weren't there. Did it cost you $2 for parking? That WOULD affect you! $2 for parking, when you have to go back home!
Anyway, so there is a responsibility in every relationship. Depending upon your closeness to the feeling of what's going on with it, and how the other pole of the relationship wants to deal with you and how you want to deal with it, depends upon your responsibility and its. Does that make sense to everybody? It's like the positive and negative pole of a magnet.
Anyway, we just laid out a scenario that we are in a movie, here on planet Earth and we have no choice, or no control over the movie. And every word that comes out of our lips, and every thought that is in our mind, even the very thinking process is a matter of Cause and Effect. It is a whole chain of events and the causes and the effects are so complex: there are billions of them acting at one time on each individual event, that it is normally beyond the normal thinking process to apprehend them all and put them into a recognizable matrix to understand them, and be able to go on in this movie to come to a realization that we have no control over it.
And so as the scenario goes, we start to recognize that we are under the laws of Cause and Effect and it become very... a lot of things pop up, like, "Well I don't have to do anything now. I have no responsibility now because it's all cause and effect." But that one wears itself out because that is part of the movie already, that thought. The discovery of self. And what this does, this discovery of Cause and Effect is, allows one to discover the will or the observer. Because as soon as you discover you really are in Cause and Effect, that is the front side of the coin, you can just discover the will on the back side of that coin, and it doesn't think. It has no thinking in it, the will. It just is. The Will. It has no judgment, or analyzing in it. It just observes this movie that you are in. It observes where the spirit and the body are at in it, which are all doing the thinking and believing that it is in control of something and going along. The observer discovers its observation point of the movie. Then you discover the duality of yourself and the backside of your eternal existence. And then you discover that the only time, that there is an actual play of will is when you drop out of the movie, when you drop dead, and the determining essence is rejoined with the will and the will chooses a new movie to go back into. It makes the choice of the next movie, and what it is going to be.
Mary: Can you choose no movie? Can you choose not to incarnate again?
Corky: That's what the yogi's call absolving oneself back into Creation. You can choose that. You stay the will. You are absolved back into creation; you are the will of creation. That's it. There is nothing there; you are in just an observation of everybody else's movie from there.
Al: You can choose that, but isn't there a "but" to that?
Corky: The Will chooses that. You can choose it for awhile, but then you automatically go back into it. Because it's natural. Because it is like the in and the out stroke of sex. Which creation is. And it all falls under the systematic laws of Creation that nothingness and total possibility go into bond and then they go out of bond. Into bond, and out of bond an infinite number of times in a finite moment. So you go into life and you come out of it, you go into a movie and you come out of it, now you can slow down the rhythm is what you are saying, into timelessness. But time comes back. And so you go back into time because it's a natural thing, it is beyond; it is the nature of Creation.
Al: It may not be here though, with that exception. Coming back.
Corky: Oh, you may not necessarily have to come back here. But you will come back here because you are the Will and the will keeps on doing it's thing over and over: billions and billions of years , if you want to put time to it, it keeps on doing it's thing over and over, it is a cycle. And you've been through it. It is an ever continuing thing. It doesn't stop.
Don't worry, you won't come back here right away. You come back here after you do all the other things. I mean, let's just say that you travel this planet for a billion years, and you happen to drop back into Salt Lake City one afternoon and then you leave again. An afternoon is like a lifetime, or a moment. There are so many of them. Or just a stopover on the airplane, it's like a lifetime.
Carnie: I think your analogy of the movie theater is an excellent one, because there is not really a whole lot you can do when you are in the movie theater although there are lots of different movies you could probably watch. There is not a lot you could do except for maybe go get some popcorn, take a pee, but you wouldn't be interested in phoning other friends at that point.
Corky: The thing that is really amazing about it, next time you go to a movie, you can sit there and like Carnie says, if you analyze, if you start thinking about what's going on in the movie, you separate yourself from it and you are not so caught up in it. But you are still within the analyzation mode, and still within the judgmental mode but when you are just in observation of it, and you sit there and you are not part of the movie but you are the observer, that's the position of will and life.
Al: But when the observer is at a high quality...
Corky: Let's not use that word, because that puts a judgment on it. Let's just say at a state of total observation.
Al: Alright, okay - then the observer knows what's going to take place next, and who did it.
Corky: That's called anticipation. He knows the movie.
Carnie: If it's a well done movie, at the beginning you have an idea of how it's going to go. But that's not what I wanted to say. I wanted to say that after you come out of the movie, that's when you can pick the new movie, you can say 'Oh I want to watch Disney, I want to watch the Discovery channel, I want to do something else...' but after a while you say 'I don't want to do that. I don't want to watch any movies now.'
Corky: So you understand the difference, so this thing with Chris, that everybody does, not just Chris. I've paid $2 for parking too, and not gotten in, and it pissed me off royal. Not to the club but other things. This thing that Chris helped us raise an issue with, of getting so caught up in the movie, that it's really intense, that's what movies are about. That's why Creation creates them. Why we, as Creation, which is creation - we are - we get so caught up in the movie, that the intensity of the movie is dramatic. It causes us to love and hate. Causes us to give birth and kill. And do all these things with the movie, and becomes a laughable joke after awhile, when you get to a position of a clear perspective or observation of the movie. Because it's funny; watching ourselves being magnetized by the intensity of the movie.
Unknown Class Member: If you ever want to get a real good laugh, sit up front in the movie theater and then during a real intense part of the movie, turn around and look at everybody. It's funny as hell.
Corky: How they are really involved in it. That's beautiful. If you want to get a real good laugh, look at life. And the intensity of how everybody gets involved in it. It's a joke. No matter what happens, for example, in a war when everybody gets killed and stuff like that or accidents or whatever and people die and stuff like that, how funny it is to watch these things happen because it's just a movie that's going on. And people are really intensely involved in it. And to try to draw somebody out of it, makes them mad! To try to take them to the pure observation point of the will, they get upset because you are not taking it seriously enough - life!
Al: I've heard that before - don't take life so seriously!
Corky: Well, sometimes you do. I've seen you real serious about life and myself. About the movie that we all get caught up in to take it real seriously. Although the thing I would say, this is the light side of existence, the movie itself, the thing that would be more serious would be the Will's destination. To the extent that some of these movies are pretty bizarre that we sign up for. And if there is, which I say there is, a point in existence where we have a controlling factor, a determining direction over our next movie, then it would be pretty important to jump on that one. If there is one of those.
Al: At that point, do you act as a screen writer?
Corky: No. See, the will is totally flexible, it's like water. It flows into whatever you pour it into. You leave that movie and you get up and go into a different theater. You don't get out of the theater without dying because there is no going back. It is a one way door. And it's the same movie in the next theater, if you take your life, because you pick up right where you left off because you have no willed spot, because it is part of the movie that you took your life. You didn't do it from the will; you did it from the movie. So you leave off one movie, and then start the same movie in the next theater. Because it is part of the same movie, people who take their life. What I am saying is, it is an understanding of letting go as one leaves the theater, through the Wills consciousness. So the consciousness is up here (holding hand up high), rather than down here in the movie taking one's life to get out of the door. Where your consciousness is in the Will, where you are just observing the movie and when this one ends then, like Mary said, you rest and don't go back into a movie for awhile until one comes along that is appropriate, that you feel real good about. And that is what the Transference is all about. The spiritual will that you write before you leave this movie, to guide you into your next direction. It is a will that is read like when you die in the physical; it is read during your Transference, by the initiates which guide you to your next destination. It designs the reservoir which holds your will. It designs the matrix that your will fits into in your next life.
Al: So it's kind of like waiting until next Friday to hear what the new releases are before you jump into what is currently playing.
Corky: Or, you can make the next movie. You don't have to wait for something else to design it. You design it, in the Will.
Al: You design it within the will because of a desire?
Corky: You design it because of your avoidance. I would say avoidance rather than a desire. Because the desire is the one that got you into the movie you are in now. And so it would be better to design one through avoidance rather than through desire. Because if you design one by desire, you automatically get the opposites of what your desire is, in that next movie. So if you desire a lot of wealth, you are going to automatically get the swing of the pendulum in that same movie, or the one following, that has no wealth. So through your avoidance, through the consciousness of the elements of existence you map your own destiny.
Al: Yeah, because, it's like a person can say - "oh, I'm really tired of doing this. I don't have a desire to do this any longer." Well, if you didn't then you wouldn't be doing that to begin with, so it's the avoidance of that circumstance that you are always getting involved in that would separate you from being in that circumstance.
Corky: It's pushing away the obstacles. You create your own obstacles, by your desires. People do that in life all the time. It's the same thing, as above, so below.
Carnie: So if people could learn within the movie of their life while they're sitting in the theater watching the movie of their life, if they could apply this to their life at this point, would it give them a reservoir?
Corky: Right. For example, we sort of get caught up in the movie and get tossed from one extreme to the other. Like from the hot and the cold of it. You can stand back in the will and watch the hot and the cold of it, and say that's a little hot, and that's a little cold. Next time around I think I'm going to write my spiritual will. Or I will write my spiritual will. Or I will my spiritual will to be less hot and less cold. Because it seems as if most individuals in the movie of life absorb deeply into the warmth of it, but get real weirded out in the cold of it. But the cold came to be, because of the experience of the warmth. It is the intensity of it that is created by ourselves.
There was a great article in today's Tribune. It talks about what we talked about in our last big weekend - it talked about hypnosis. And all these gadgets that they have developed over the years to heal people and cure people with, and it talks about all these things that worked throughout history. These medical things that they used, but when time evolved on and things changed they discovered that they weren't really working. It was the will within that was causing the cure. That's the same thing with hypnosis. That's what they are saying right now, is they hypnotize people and they tell them to quit smoking and everything, and the hypnosis isn't doing anything, the person is deciding within their will inside of themselves to quit smoking. It's a trick. That's what I said in class on the big weekend, all medical science is, is a trick. To get the will inside to decide that it is going to heal itself.
Su: It's almost as if, when I've done hypnosis or something like it, I've noticed whenever I try to talk myself out of something I actually make it worse. Because I bring it to the forefront of my mind and then I start to focus on that, like fear. Fear of performing or something like that, when that has happened to me, it's like 'You're not going to be afraid, you are not going to be afraid.' But when it comes down to it, I am afraid! It was like it was working just the opposite of what it was supposed to be. Either that or my will was not strong enough to make me, I don't know what it was, it was really strange.
Corky: To stand back and look at it, and it's all underlying in the will that allows it to be. Now on the manifest movie level, it's still all going to be the way it is going to be. And the will can believe that it is involved in changing it, but it's actually not. It is just a play within the movie to show how the will does change things. And if we can use those lessons from an observer of the will and then use that observer's reservoir of strength, gained because of its observation, because we gave it strength by turning our total attention to it and it became itself again, instead of being ignored. Anything you put attention on grows, like Su just said. Like the fear will grow if you put attention on it.
Su: Yeah, It's interesting to watch how you grow over the years. The way you react to different things, I have found. You know, it used to just devastate me when I'd perform and it wasn't perfect, I would forget or something, you know. And it has kind of changed now, it's not the same. It's like, I'm still here. I'm still okay. I like myself alright. Even though you may have some things that go wrong that you wish would not happen that way, it just doesn't affect me the way that it used to.
Corky: But they were supposed to be that way. That comes with wearing down of life, and the intensity of life of the things that get real intense, you know the hot and the cold, as we wear through it. And the more we go towards strengthening the will and becoming the will, that is where the critical movement is. Now, there is not much speaking that goes on when you are in the state of the will because there is no speech. And there is not much thinking because there is no thought. You are just in a state of observation. But from the strength of that position and from what the will has discovered about itself and its lives and where it goes, it automatically creates its next destiny. Does that make sense? It's like a reservoir of electricity. If there is nothing there, there is nothing stored in a battery, it has nothing to do. It automatically becomes, it blows to wherever it's going. But if the will is stored with an immense amount of energy and it is in control of itself, then it can direct itself like lightening can, to go where it wants to go, rather than being the pawn of it. It becomes the director of it, rather than the effect of it, the will does.
Like everything we were saying here in class today, is this movie that is going on. And the reason why meditation is so important is because it takes us out of the words and out of the movie and into the silence of the will and we just rest there in the silence of the will. And it doesn't' seem that there is anything going on there because everything is here in the movie. But there really is, the more time you spend there, the more you discover how much it is, and what it is exactly.
You become familiar with it, with yourself. All these things that happen in life have those different effects on you. Sometimes they seem 'Well, who gives a damn now, because it's all a natural happening event and I have no control over it.' That's all still part of the movie as you go through this transition of the separation of the will and this manifest life. As those two things separate farther and farther apart, and you have the consciousness up here, rather than down there. And finally, once you get established enough in the will it becomes a real neat thing, if there is anything neat about it. It becomes a much larger thing than what you had, of being lost in the movie. But at the same time it wears out the intensity of the movie and the edges come off of it. And so it doesn't make the movie as dramatic, so that's a loss. So you lose something, you gain something else. If you lose consciousness of the world you gain intensity of life. There is a balance between the two that needs to be struck. And it all comes back to this swing of the pendulum, back to the nothingness and totalness coming into bond an infinite number of times, which creates all of nature, and what existence is. Anybody got anything else they'd like to talk about or say?
Su: So, once we discover the law of cause and effect, this is what you were saying and I want to be real clear. Sometimes it's really easy to think "Well I don't have any responsibility then because it is all cause and effect." Then you change, and your responsibility becomes more or less to discover the will, or what?
Corky: Well I wouldn't really say it's a responsibility; it's the transition to get through that state. It's sort of partial, as you lift off planet earth in your spaceship headed for outer space, you are feeling the G- force as you break away, okay, because it is drawing you back. And it is an intensity and a disturbance, an uneasy feeling, until you reach space where there is no gravity. So it's a transition that you go through. So, there is no responsibility. See, it is a paradox. When you get to the will there is no responsibility except for to yourself. If you can call that responsibility, because being responsible for oneself is a matter of opinion and degree. So, being in that state of just the will, with no responsibility drawing from the last lifetime's effect on the will, is the way that you dive back down into your next movie of life. You could say that the will is also controlled by a higher level of cause and effect. See what I'm saying? It is chosen by what has taken place in the last movie. So to not disillusion everybody, or to pop a hole in anyone's bubble, but there is no such thing as choice. Even from Creation. Even in the Will. It is disillusionment.
Al: Because distortion has no choice regardless what the degree is?
Corky: there is no such thing as choice. But it seems like we do have a choice, in the irrational numbers. See, there are rational numbers and irrational numbers. All the rational numbers are cause and effect. And then when we throw in the irrational numbers, the ones that don't add up, we look at that as choice. But when we move to a higher law, the irrational numbers turn into rational numbers.
Al: That's because we are caught up in the intellect being the observer though, true?
Corky: Right and it continues through every level, it switches sides on you. For example, let's just say that you are born in a lifetime and you think that night is bad and day is good, because night is dark and day is light. But as you expand your consciousness, you discover that night is just as good as day, and so it switched, and then you might go on to discover that night is a lot better than day. And it switches sides. You see what I'm saying?
Al: That's how I grew up! Night was bad! Whew!
Corky: And then it changed didn't it? Now night is better than day?
Al: It's in a transition. Night is getting interesting.
Corky: So what I am saying is, every level that you go to, changes the numbers and changes the rules. The rules are changeable too. But right here, they are fixed until you drop this movie of life. And when you go to the will, from this point, from this movie, the will controls the next destination. But when you are in just the will, the will is fixed also, by Creation, because of the effect that the movie had on it. Then you realize that you are all the wills, and you are all the movies. And like Mary said, you have to come back to Salt Lake City for lunch, but I wouldn't worry about it happening right away. Is this story disheartening?
Corky: Yeah - you are in that phase of disheartment with it. You are in that stage. You can't tell this story to everybody because most individuals aren't conscious enough to deal with it.
Mary: It just seems kind of hopeless.
Corky: You are in the hopeless state, yeah. But it's beautiful on the other side of it. See, you are in take off, it's called lift off. Your rocket is going into outer space to the void. But once you get out there, you are going to take command and visit the universe. Make sense at all? Not at this point right?
Corky: Yeah. That's okay. The thing that is amazing, it's written in the scriptures, it says 'Our Father which is in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done. On earth as it is in heaven.' The kingdom of god is inside of you. When you discover the will of god, or creation, it will be on earth within you as it is in heaven, and you will be in heaven. That is what the Lord's Prayer is. It's told in all the philosophies in the scriptures, in a hermetic way, in a way that the animals don't understand it. It's all written, it's all there. But people are so caught in the movie, that there is no way that they can see it, and it's funny. It becomes a joke watching it. Anyway, let's stop for today.